Condor Ground Speed Mistery

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Condor Ground Speed Mistery

Post by Snapcase » Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:04 am

Hello Guys!

I've got a little problem with understanding how Condor / Condor-Club measure the speed of task start.

In FAI rules we can read:

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So it's Ground Speed, not TAS.


After today's Task:
https://www.condor.club/comp/besttimes/0/?id=22326
https://www.condor.club/analysis/0/?pag ... 0136BE5E7E

I realised i was far behind.. I checked my flight analisys in Condor Club:
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So it's saying that i crossed starting line with 182.4 km/g speed at 15:00:12 time?

That's a little bit strange because i was not exceeding 170km/h (checked with Lk8000 Ground speed.
I remembered that i stayed ~165-168 km/h with a little airbrake (like 10% so i had a lot of room for slowing down) and after crossing the starting line, I realeased the brakes, speed up to ~175km/h and then go up and slow down to ~140km/h.

So i was a bit suprised about that 182.4 km/h.

I checked the FTR file with Condor build in Flight Analysis:

That anothers mistery:

During many checks the measurment was differend.

With first time:

Before crossing the line:
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Afer crossing the line:
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When i replayed it many times with right click "Jump Here" it was saying different speeds for expmple:
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I was curious so i exported IGC file with Condor Flight Analysis and opened it in IGC viewer:

https://igcviewer.bgaladder.net/

And checked how i look like:

Before crossing the line:
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And right after:
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It's looking exactyly how i was flying - right beyond the limit. And this limit is set precise in the Rules - 170km/h. Not 170km/h +-15km/h..

Of course i'm attaching both FTR and IGC files so you could see check it in Condor Flight Analysis and IGC Viewer - https://igcviewer.bgaladder.net/
https://files.fm/u/st3ym6adw


After discusing today's problem - my friend (JAZ) said that he had same issue yesterday. Started much below 170km/h (checked with LK8000 + COTASA (he also checked IGC file), with same speed that another pilot in front of him - and Condor Club said that he was starting with +180km/h and the pilot he was following below 160.



I know it's only a game - but if we had to stick to the rules i want to make them clear.


Best regards
Wojciech
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Re: Condor Ground Speed Mistery

Post by UWE » Wed Jan 04, 2023 10:47 am

Condor is NO game !! :lol:

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Re: Condor Ground Speed Mistery

Post by Snapcase » Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:05 pm

UWE :lol: :P :mrgreen:

Condor is "The Complete Soaring Simulator" :P
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Re: Condor Ground Speed Mistery

Post by Bre901 » Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:59 pm

Have you contacted the organisers or Condor Club ?
https://www.condor.club/comp/show/204/?id=727
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