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Post by OXO » Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:49 am

Hi all,

This glider is well advanced, but I need some assistance.

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This photo from the AS website shows a fairing round the flap handle, but it doesnt show enough of it !. Can anyone help with a better photo of this?

Also, is this fairing very common on ASW20s? I see many pictures online, but none with this part.. :roll:
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Re: ASW20

Post by oNyL » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:44 am

Hello, actually this fairing is not common on all ASW20 if I am not mistaken, but the youtubeur Bruno Vassel had an ASW20 B, we can see it on videos : https://youtu.be/zsh3GEYqVGw

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Re: ASW20

Post by be_adairing » Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:07 pm

i've asked a couple of chaps at my club if they have any images or if i can take some of their 20's....

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Re: ASW20

Post by Fuchur » Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:17 pm

Hi Chris,

The fairing is of the latest model. Pretty sure it's in the C model.
Also the original (a) model has flap setting 6. The Britts call it Jezus mode as you desent on earth in that setting.

Most ASW 20 owners als placed a 3.5 set flapping as this is a best setting seems better for thermalling than 4.
It is bang in the middle between 3 and 4.

I will be near my A tomorrow. So let me know what pictures you wuld like!

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Re: ASW20

Post by Hurja » Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:27 pm

That photo is from B or C. B and C models have that fairing and flap position 5 landing (flaps +38degrees and ailerons -8degree).

A model have 6landing(jesus flaps, virgin hole etc), 5landing, 4thermic etc,

here is photo from my 20C flap handle also.
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Re: ASW20

Post by wickid » Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:38 pm

I think the ASW-20A version should be modeled. That one is elligable for club class. The B and C version would have to fly in the 15 meter class where it won't stand a chance!

What do you guys think?
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Re: ASW20

Post by Hurja » Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:57 pm

A model is what I think should be modeled. A versus B or C have little or nothing performance difference if you dont count B model higher MTOW 525kg. C have same 454kg MTOW but it have turbulators. Either one you cant use in club class.

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Re: ASW20

Post by Pit_R » Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:16 pm

ASW 20 will be perfect for Sports Class. ;)

Interesting pdf/presentation I've found, ASW-20 Gathering: http://8kcab.com/ASW-20%20Gathering.pdf
And some knowledge (manuals etc): http://8kcab.com/asw20lib.html
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Re: ASW20

Post by 2P » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:24 pm

Will there also be the 16.6m version and would it then be in the 18m class? A sport class would certainly be interesting for it... :wink: If not, then as Wickid already says, it would only make sense in the version for the club class. BTW, why only the A version is allowed for the club class :?: But then probably only the ASW20 will be flown at clubclass tasks, not :mrgreen: ?

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Re: ASW20

Post by wickid » Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:49 pm

2P wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:24 pm
Will there also be the 16.6m version and would it then be in the 18m class? A sport class would certainly be interesting for it... :wink: If not, then as Wickid already says, it would only make sense in the version for the club class. BTW, why only the A version is allowed for the club class :?:
That is what the FAI IGC index list says. It lists the ASW20, F (15 meter). And in the remarks column it reads: Not eligible ASW 20 b, c

Source: https://www.fai.org/sites/default/files/sc3ah_2019a.pdf
But then probably only the ASW20 will be flown at clubclass tasks, not :mrgreen: ?

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Not necessaraly, clubclass is a handicapped competition. Condor uses the DAeC index list so the ASW20 will get an index of 110. That means it has to be around 10.1% faster than a cirrus (index 99). In the IGC index list the ASW20 has 1.055 and the cirrus 1.000. So there it only needs to be 5.5% faster.


Ofcourse the B or C model could be modeled (preferably the B model due to the higher MTOW when flown with water in "all class") and OXO and Uros could still decide to put it in Clubclass.
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Re: ASW20

Post by OXO » Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:35 am

We would like of course to have our designs be popular in competitions.

To that end I propose we make the B model with the higher weight limit, and allow it in club class (without water of course)

Comments welcome.
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Re: ASW20

Post by 2P » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:27 am

Not necessaraly, clubclass is a handicapped competition. Condor uses the DAeC index list so the ASW20 will get an index of 110. That means it has to be around 10.1% faster than a cirrus (index 99). In the IGC index list the ASW20 has 1.055 and the cirrus 1.000. So there it only needs to be 5.5% faster.
Ah ok i wasn't sure about the big index difference to the cirrus and libelle. So you have to be really fast. But still I think that the ASW will be the choice nr. 1 at the usual race tasks with 160 + speed on the ridge, just because of the flaps. The "condor professionals" will certainly be able to take advantage of this 🤪
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Re: ASW20

Post by 2P » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:37 am

OXO wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:35 am
We would like of course to have our designs be popular in competitions.

To that end I propose we make the B model with the higher weight limit, and allow it in club class (without water of course)

Comments welcome.
Sounds good. Will there be also the 16.6m version :?: :wink:
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Re: ASW20

Post by Pit_R » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:43 am

My proposition:

ASW 20 A for Club Class
ASW 20 B for Sports Class

+ FAI-Handicaps index beside DAeC Index (tasksetter decision)
+ possibility of another, custom indices
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Re: ASW20

Post by OXO » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:49 am

Pit_R wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:43 am
My proposition:

ASW 20 A for Club Class
ASW 20 B for Sports Class

+ FAI-Handicaps index beside DAeC Index (tasksetter decision)
+ possibility of another, custom indices
No. We are only making one type. And we arent making the extended tips either, or any with winglets.
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