NorthGermany and Poland

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NorthGermany and Poland

Post by 6266 » Wed Apr 06, 2022 5:57 am

To avoid double work I will announce two new landscapes I started to make. The first one will be NorthGermany containing Schleswig-Holstein, Niedersachsen and Mecklenburg-Vorpommern (25 x 18 tiles), the second one will be Poland including Kaliningrad (25 x 24 tiles). Got an out of memory error in LandscapeEditor with 25 x 25 tiles, so 25 x 24 will be the maximum for me at the moment, it's the first time I make landscapes.

There will be a lot of airports, but easy. Only flattened with a border around the runway and a windsock, not more.

I like to make historical airports too (f.x. NorthGermany will get one last time used in 1971) if it's possible to see them in the textures. If there are any suggestions about airports, please say it.

On discord for the Vintage Series - see the link in the signature - a section for landscapes is added now, there we can discuss everything about it.

I made a little tool for me to manage the progress of the landscapes, it's online read only and will contain all planned airports.

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Re: NorthGermany and Poland

Post by maymar » Wed Apr 06, 2022 6:32 pm

I create SWPoland2
SWPoland2-gogl.jpg
Don't hesitate and make Poland too :-)
SWPoland2-LE.jpg
My scenery is cartoonish style with a lot of object. I have almost half done and till now I get over 16k objects.
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Re: NorthGermany and Poland

Post by 6266 » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:01 pm

My landscape will be different, because it don't will have objects except the windsocks. 16 k objects, respect! First of all I''m interested in the North at the coast. My parents were born in Kaliningrad (Königsberg) and Elblag (Elbingen) before WWII. They had to escape 10 and 6 years old in1945 and they never came back. I can't wait to explore their original homeland on that way. That's the reason for me to make this landscape.

I have no idea yet about the most important airports in Poland, so I would be very grateful about every airport suggestion.
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Re: NorthGermany and Poland

Post by maymar » Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:22 pm

6266 wrote:
Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:01 pm
I have no idea yet about the most important airports in Poland, so I would be very grateful about every airport suggestion.
here you can find:

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Re: NorthGermany and Poland

Post by 6266 » Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:27 pm

Thanks, that's very helpful
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Re: NorthGermany and Poland

Post by JNorem » Sat May 07, 2022 8:20 pm

Way back, like almost 100 years ago, the glider pioneers were flying out of Grunau, which is now Jezow Sudecki. It's located in the SW corner of Poland and is where mountain waves were discovered. I think it would be nice to experience that area through Condor. I can't seem to find the airports they used on existing landscapes. The ones, I think, I'm looking for are Airport Jezow Sudecki and Lotnisko Jelenia Gora which hosts the Aeroklub Jeleniogorski.

Language is an issue for me as I'm not used to things called different names. Like this area is located in the Giant Mountains that = Karkonosze that = Riesengebirge. Here the Rocky Mountains are just that.

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Re: NorthGermany and Poland

Post by maymar » Sat May 07, 2022 10:04 pm

JNorem wrote:
Sat May 07, 2022 8:20 pm
Way back, like almost 100 years ago, the glider pioneers were flying out of Grunau, which is now Jezow Sudecki. It's located in the SW corner of Poland and is where mountain waves were discovered. I think it would be nice to experience that area through Condor. I can't seem to find the airports they used on existing landscapes. The ones, I think, I'm looking for are Airport Jezow Sudecki and Lotnisko Jelenia Gora which hosts the Aeroklub Jeleniogorski.

Language is an issue for me as I'm not used to things called different names. Like this area is located in the Giant Mountains that = Karkonosze that = Riesengebirge. Here the Rocky Mountains are just that.

Thanks
On SWPoland2 there will be Jeżów Sudecki (Grunau) airfield, but its tricky because all surface of this airfield is sloped - probably will be able only landing on it, maybe takeoff on winch.
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Re: NorthGermany and Poland

Post by 6266 » Sat May 07, 2022 10:46 pm

Thanks for this suggestion, will try to add the airfield too
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Re: NorthGermany and Poland

Post by JNorem » Sun May 08, 2022 6:22 pm

I believe that hill site, Jezow Sudecki, was used for bungee launching and the other airport, Lotnisko Jelenia Gora, is now used for aerotow launches. I don't know how the hill launching is done now.

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Re: NorthGermany and Poland

Post by 6266 » Mon May 09, 2022 8:29 am

I will need ca. 3 weeks to download the textures before I can look at it, but then I will do it
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Re: NorthGermany and Poland

Post by Jantar » Mon May 09, 2022 5:40 pm

super, super...

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Re: NorthGermany and Poland

Post by 6266 » Tue May 10, 2022 1:36 pm

Call for airport wishes NorthGermany.

NorthGermany will be finished soon, maybe in 3 - 4 weeks. If there are wishes for more airports, please let me know. I'm interested in every airport, but especially in historical airports not used any more.

Thanks for any idea.

Here the list of the 141 current included airports

Achmer
Ahlhorn
AltesLager
Anklam
Aschendorf-Herbrum
Aschersleben
Aue Hattorf
Aukrug
Aventoft
Bad Gandersheim
Bad Pyrmont
Berliner Heide
Bielefeld
Bienenfarm
Bisperode
Blexen
Boberg
Bohlenberger Feld
Bohmte-Bad Essen
Bollrich
Borkenberge
Borkheide
Borkum
Brambostel
Brandenburg
Braunschweig
Brockzetel
Bueckeburg-Weinberg
Celle-Arloh
Dessau
Detmold
Diepholz
Eisenhuettenstadt
Fassberg
Fassberg Suedbahn
Finsterwalde
Flensburg
Ganderkesee
Grambeker Heide
Gransee
Gronau
Grosse Hoehe
Grosses Moor
Grube
Guestrow
Hamm
Hellenhagen
Helmstedt
Hildesheim
Hodenhagen
Hoepen
Holtorfsloh
Holzminden
Hopen
Hoya
Ithwiesen
Juist
Kammermark
Kiel-Holtenau
Lauenbrueck
Leck
Locktow
Luebeck
Luechow Rehbeck
Lueneburg
Luenen
Luesse
Magdeburg
Maribo
Melle
Mellenthin
Muenster-Osnabrueck
Neujellingsdorf
Neumuenster
Neuruppin
Neustadt-Glewe
Norderney
Nordholz-Spieka
Nordhorn-Lingen
Northeim
Oehna
Oerlinghausen
Oppershausen
Osterholz-Scharmbeck
Parchim
Pasewalk
Peenemuende
Peine
Perleberg
Pinnow
Poel
Porta-Westfalica
Purkshof
Quakenbrueck
Rechlin-Laerz
Reinsdorf
Renneritz
Rerik Zweedorf
Rinteln
Roedekro
Roitzschjora
Rotenburg Wuemme
Ruegen
Saarmund
Salzgitter
Schaeferstuhl
Scheuen
Schleswig-Kropp
Schmoldow
Schoenhagen
Seedorf
Stade
Stendal-Borstel
Stoelln
Stralsund
Strausberg
Stuede
Sylt
Szczecin
Trollenhagen
Tutow
Uelzen
Uetersen
Ummern
Uslar
Varrelbusch
Verden
Vinsebeck
Wahlstedt
Walsrode
Wangerooge
Waren-Vielist
Wenzendorf
Wesseln
Wilsche
Wismar
Wittmund
Wittstock
Wolfenbuettel
Wunstorf
Zerbst
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Re: NorthGermany and Poland

Post by 6266 » Fri May 13, 2022 9:21 am

I took wrong with the estimated time to finish NorthGermany ;-)

It's finished now and available via http://www.baleit.no/vs.nsf
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Re: NorthGermany and Poland

Post by Kekelekou » Tue May 17, 2022 9:10 am

Congrats for completing such a large map in such a short time!
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Re: NorthGermany and Poland

Post by 6266 » Tue May 17, 2022 10:25 am

Kekelekou wrote:
Tue May 17, 2022 9:10 am
Congrats for completing such a large map in such a short time!
Thanks. It was only possible by reducing expectations, so there are no objects on the airfields, only a windsock and the border of the runway. With templates and a database for the airports, where I can configure the length of the runway and the distance of the windsock, it takes only some minutes. That's my manually process

Find each airport
Define the coordinates of the airport in LandscapeEditor

Export all airports and import them into the database
Go threw all airports
- define the properties in LandscapeEditor
- flatten the terrain
- adjust the treemaps if neccessary

I started the landscape 5th of april, 2 weeks I was in holiday without working on it. Finished 13th of may. Most of the airfields were predefined in my copy of WestGermany3, only fine tuning left.

A lot of work happened automatically with the tools from soaringtools.org, with 3 weeks downloading time for the textures, getting 5-6 % on each run, because of download restrictions from google. Some hours needed to fix the worst places in the texture. The result is not perfect, but I hope good enough.

On this way it looks to be possible, to do it nearly effective. I think, the average time for an airport is ca. 15 minutes. So 35 hours for the airports and 10 - 15 hours for the rest, 50 hours in netto 3-4 weeks sounds realistic. I always think, that 80 % is enough, so stopping on time saves a lot of time. Expect perfection costs a lot of (life-)time.

I'm now in the process to make Poland (will rename it to NWPoland when finished). See now that it will cost more time with the texture, because it's very bad. 78 Airports are located up to now, will see, if I can reach the same speed :-D
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