Condor and XCsoar alt difference

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Re: Condor and XCsoar alt difference

Post by EDB » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:42 pm

Please give all landscape names, so we can blacklist them... :wink:
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Re: Condor and XCsoar alt difference

Post by Bre901 » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:47 pm

EDB wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:27 pm
Many C1 landscapes where badly calibrated.
Some C2 are too...

XCSoar uses 90m or worse height data.
Some C2 landscapes use real 30m data.
We already know your opinion about landscapes and landscapes creators :roll:

So look at that now (using Nephi-HD.xcm)
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Re: Condor and XCsoar alt difference

Post by EDB » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:50 pm

You need to start airborne and then check.
Now you might see delays in data transfer.

I don't see 50m off.

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Re: Condor and XCsoar alt difference

Post by EDB » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:52 pm

You may fake the corners of a scenery. Those faked coordinates have different altitudes. A different height on the ellipsoid. Giving altitude errors over the whole landscape.
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Re: Condor and XCsoar alt difference

Post by Bre901 » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:53 pm

EDB wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:52 pm
You may fake the corners of a scenery. Those faked coordinates have different altitudes. A different height on the ellipsoid.
The example I show is Nephi
EDB wrote:
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You need to start airborne and then check.
Now you might see delays in data transfer.

I don't see 50m off.
I did start airborne.
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Re: Condor and XCsoar alt difference

Post by EDB » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:55 pm

You need to start airborne and then check.
Now you might see delays in data transfer.

I don't see 50m off.

You are flying 103kmh...

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Re: Condor and XCsoar alt difference

Post by EDB » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:55 pm

I have to go now...

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Re: Condor and XCsoar alt difference

Post by UrosM » Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:03 pm

NZ and Scotland.
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Re: Condor and XCsoar alt difference

Post by Bre901 » Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:05 pm

airborne start before start. Nephi-XD in XCS.
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Re: Condor and XCsoar alt difference

Post by Andy1248 » Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:55 pm

UrosM wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:03 pm
NZ and Scotland.
Blacklisted! :(
Condor CN = E20

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Re: Condor and XCsoar alt difference

Post by UrosM » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:22 pm

Andy1248 wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:55 pm
UrosM wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:03 pm
NZ and Scotland.
Blacklisted! :(
You blacklisted me or scenery :?: :roll:
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Re: Condor and XCsoar alt difference

Post by UrosM » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:30 pm

One more, regarding vario for you RL pilots.

What vario lag settings would be realistic? Is default 1 s for vario and 1,5 s for evario OK?
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Re: Condor and XCsoar alt difference

Post by Bre901 » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:34 pm

If EDB is consistent with himself he should immediately backlist Slovenia also

... or admit the issue has nothing to do with scenery calibration but differences between the geoid and the ellipsoid(s) used to approximate it

airborne start, before start, Slovenia-HD.xcm :

same flightplan data except scenery=AA2, same .xcm

The 2 m difference is indeed due to calibration, but the difference between C2 and XCS is exactly the same in the two cases

Case closed M'lud.
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Re: Condor and XCsoar alt difference

Post by Bre901 » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:36 pm

UrosM wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:22 pm
You blacklisted me or scenery :?: :roll:
Don't worry, that was for EDB, not for you
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Re: Condor and XCsoar alt difference

Post by wickid » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:06 pm

If I select "Alt Baro" or "Alt GPS" the value matches perfectly with Condor in Slovenia.

Also in Nephi, Arc Alpin and NZ. So please stop bickering about landscapes. The problem is most likely a setting in XCSoar.
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