Tchin Tchin airstart please

[timkie]

Maybe it is better with an airstart for the future Tchin Tchin races. If the purpose of Tchin Tchin is a short and fun task before dinner in central Europe, this is not the way to do it. Instead of towing with a limit of 40 pilots, we could have a one server with 100+ pilots starting in the air. Towing could be practiced on seperate server called "Tchin Tchin Towing Practice". I think it is time to consider if Tchin Tchin is for pilots who wants to improve cross country flying or formation flying with a towplane.
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[wickid]

+1

Especially todays task. Towing didn't work due to aerotow being used at an airport that was totally not suited to aerotow. Lots of restarts, people crashing and not being able to climb.

I rather spent 30 min more racing than watching bodged aerotows, restarts ect.

[Vertigo]

A +1 from me too, and particularly if the "extra" time is used for slightly longer tasks. Im setting tasks on fridays, I would like nothing more than enable airstart and make slightly longer tasks (even if only on fridays?); but its not my call to make, I will obviously respect the tchintchin team wishes and they seem to like towing.

[Crakob]

+1 too.
It should be about gliding, not waiting and towing.

It would be great it the team could overcome outdated restrictions.

[dgtfer]

OK men, that's called an error! Despite this, we remain attached to the towed departure, which contributes to the realism of our flights. But if we like tow start as most people do, we don't like crashing in the mountains and we all agree that Ambri is not the best airport for that. We will modify our procedure, with a start a bit further ahead of the runway, and if that's not enough we'll have airstarts...
But...
We think it's time for Uros to manage a better tow procedure. Yesterday my tow plane didn't turn left at first, so I didn't crash in the pylons on the north side of the valley, but for its second bend, it did a 270° and went straight south on the mountain, I had to release prematurely. I don't know a procedure to avoid this. After spending hours and dozens of pages of posts on the forum answering the nitpicking about the acceptable level of assistance for the rudder pedals, or about the correct positioning of the flap control lever (!), it would seem more useful to us to solve this problem once and for all. In Condor2 it was easy to remedy with the slopes that were active even at the bottom of the valleys; in Condor3 this is no longer possible. This problem is no longer a minor one.

[Bre901]

After spending hours and dozens of pages of posts on the forum answering the nitpicking about the acceptable level of assistance for the rudder pedals, or about the correct positioning of the flap control lever (!), it would seem more useful to us to solve this problem once and for all. In Condor2 it was easy to remedy with the slopes that were active even at the bottom of the valleys; in Condor3 this is no longer possible. This problem is no longer a minor one.

+1 !

Towing didn't work due to aerotow being used at an airport that was totally not suited to aerotow. Lots of restarts, people crashing and not being able to climb.

I beg to differ, the airport would be suited to aerotow if the tow procedure was adapted to mountain airfields instead of being exactly the same as in flatland.
I don't think it would be too complicated to make the towplane climb straight a few km until it is high enough to make a safe U-turn, taking the terrain into account
We know that this could be achieved by placing the start TP a few km in the take-off direction, but yesterday's task-setter forgot to do it, and that can happen to anyone, criticising is easy

Yesterday I made three attempts, all 3 tow patterns were exactly the same, with the towplane flying each time right through the pylon.
Each time the cable released by itself as I was trying to avoid hitting said pylon and I hadn't the patience to climb in a 0.1 m/s lift

[Crakob]

@dgt. No offense. But How do you determine „most of the people“?

Maybe on next tchintchin we should ask the pilots and maybe we „airstartlikers“ are proven wrong.

[wickid]

I know most of the guys in the Danish channel (+/- 15) would like airstart from time to time. Doesn't have to be every race.

[dgtfer]

Tchin-Tchin is a free land! Each tasksetter makes his own choices. If Bob wants to use airstart, he can do it of course. But our long experience and the constant success, with about 100 pilots each day, show that the main options are shared by a lot of people.

[Vertigo]

Tchin-Tchin is a free land! If Bob wants to use airstart, he can do it of course.

This puts me in an awkward situation. Tchintchin is your baby, its not mine to mess with. I signed up to help make tasks as per tchinthcin guidelines, not to rewrite them. Ill do that in my own competitions.

[dgtfer]

Tchin-Tchin is a free land! If Bob wants to use airstart, he can do it of course.

This puts me in an awkward situation. Tchintchin is your baby, its not mine to mess with. I signed up to help make tasks as per tchinthcin guidelines, not to rewrite them. Ill do that in my own competitions.

This is not a competition, and you can try things and see if it's successful, you can further adapt your fpl accordingly.

[wickid]

Tchin-Tchin is a free land! If Bob wants to use airstart, he can do it of course.

This puts me in an awkward situation. Tchintchin is your baby, its not mine to mess with. I signed up to help make tasks as per tchinthcin guidelines, not to rewrite them. Ill do that in my own competitions.

This is not a competition, and you can try things and see if it's successful, you can further adapt your fpl accordingly.

Sound like a good compromise! Maybe you can trial airstarts on Bob's days, see how it is recieved.

[Vertigo]

Allright. Then from now on, Ill make the Friday tasks with airstart, and with slightly longer tasks than the normal ~1hr goal for best pilots, so you spend about the same amount of time behind your computer as previously.

[JFonseca]

+10 for airstarts!

I think the Tchintchin races are getting better and better and I am very thankful to the tasksetters!

My wish list is very short:
- Airstarts
- Allow all gliders (and take handicaps into consideration)
- When setting up max wing load please use 46, because at 45 I cannot Use the Stemme with 2 pilots because it has 45,2Kg/m!

[havet865]

Hi everyone,

I prefer not to get too deeply involved in non-official or daily races, but I’d like to share a few personal thoughts:

- I’m also a fan of airstarts for better time efficiency, and I’m happy to hear that a test is planned. Yesterday’s runway felt a bit short again…
- It seems like we’re effectively flying monotype LS8Neo or JS3-15m races every day in the ‘all classes’ category. I’m not sure there’s much that can be done about this without selecting a specific class, but it’s worth noting.
- A note for the tasksetters: Please try to avoid placing turnpoints on the tops of mountains, like the Cervin. Since the ‘Turnpoint Helper Range’ is limited to a few kilometers, it’s challenging to anticipate how much altitude or energy is needed to safely reach and turn these points. In real life, turnpoints are typically placed in valleys or at lower elevations for precisely this reason. Several crashes happened yesterday when pilots tried to turn the Cervin. Definitely not ideal when you just wanna have fun!

Thank you again for organizing these races!
Wishing you all a great day,
Antoine