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Standa Vana ml.
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flying problems

Post by Standa Vana ml. » Thu Dec 19, 2024 11:16 am

I can't get used to the new C3.
Flying is full of problems and non-standard settings.
Apart from the thermals - which are really unrealistic, I encountered a lot of other errors.

Two pilot flying:

1) it is not known what balance the pilots will set
2) undercarriage wheel - different for everyone. The front pilot opens the wheel, the rear pilot has it closed.
3) smoking - one pilot turns on smoking (T) - the other does not see anything
4) TRIM - one pilot sets a value - the other pilot has a different value. In real flying, the trim is the same for both pilots.
5) when flying, the sound is turned off directly in Windows !!!
6) the sound turns off when flying with one pilot - usually the front - guest
7) VARIO - the sound is not the same as the indicator - the hand moves to the + value, but there is no sound.
8) rudder - when switching pilots, each pilot has a different value = fall, loss of speed...

there are really many problems.

The big problem is flying on a slope - the wind. C3 is unrealistically set!
update 3.0.2. is more of a benefit of problems than improvements :-(

Objects on the ground - in the 21st century and in the digital age, we have returned to the MS-DOS era.... Objects without windows, doors - just shoe boxes :-(

I can't use the C3 for pilot training, not even for fun. I am very disappointed with how poorly the C3 is made. I was looking forward to the improvement. Instead, it's a bummer.

Please think about the problems that are given from all sides and solve everything for joy and real flying.

The last straw is the complexity of the HW. I have an MSI 4070 16 GB Super graphics card and yet the card is very loaded.

Why isn't C3 already in 64 bit?

I believe that the core problems and bugs will be solved soon and I will look forward to flying on the slope in 17 km/h wind as we fly in real flying with ASK-21, L-13, VSO-10, L-23, LS-1 , etc.

Have a nice day,

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Re: flying problems

Post by wickid » Thu Dec 19, 2024 12:38 pm

Standa Vana ml. wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2024 11:16 am
Apart from the thermals - which are really unrealistic
I strongly disagree with that statement, and with me almost all Condor3 users agree that the thermals are in fact very realistic now.
1) it is not known what balance the pilots will set
The second pilot does not change the balance of the glider, only the weight. You set the center of gravity position by moving the C/G bias slider.
2) undercarriage wheel - different for everyone. The front pilot opens the wheel, the rear pilot has it closed.
The cockpit and external animations are synched between the two pilots. When the front pilot retracts the wheel, the same happens for the rear pilot.
3) smoking - one pilot turns on smoking (T) - the other does not see anything
That is true, and a known bug. It is on our list.
4) TRIM - one pilot sets a value - the other pilot has a different value. In real flying, the trim is the same for both pilots.
This happens because the trimmer can be on an analog axis. It is impossible to physically move the lever via internet.
5) when flying, the sound is turned off directly in Windows !!!
What do you mean by this, can you elaborate so we can have a look?
6) the sound turns off when flying with one pilot - usually the front - guest
Again, not sure what you mean, can you be more specific?
7) VARIO - the sound is not the same as the indicator - the hand moves to the + value, but there is no sound.
Do you by any chance have "HAWK audio" enabled. Then the sound source is the light blue needle. You can turn it off in the settings so the sound comes from the red needle of the E-Vario if you don't like it.
8) rudder - when switching pilots, each pilot has a different value = fall, loss of speed...
I'm guessing, this is also a synching problem between physical controls. We can't synch physical devices on a desk via internet. You just have to be clear with eachother when you change control.
The big problem is flying on a slope - the wind. C3 is unrealistically set!
update 3.0.2. is more of a benefit of problems than improvements :-(
I believe that the core problems and bugs will be solved soon and I will look forward to flying on the slope in 17 km/h wind as we fly in real flying with ASK-21, L-13, VSO-10, L-23, LS-1 , etc.
Many other users disagree with you here as well. And it makes sense... If you have 17 kph wind. That is 4.7 m/s. So if you could turn that wind 90 degree up, the maximum vertical wind velocity you can get is 4.7 m/s. Minus the sink of a typical glider, you could theoretically get 3.7 m/s lift. However, the wind does not flow 90 degree up when encountering a hill. It is more like 45 degrees up. That drops the theoretical lift to 1.4 m/s. And that is with wind perpendicular to the slope face and a flat slope. When the terrain is uneven, or the wind direction is off, the lift drops off quickly. I think you need to adjust your expectations. Condor2 was way too unrealistic in this respect.
Objects on the ground - in the 21st century and in the digital age, we have returned to the MS-DOS era.... Objects without windows, doors - just shoe boxes :-(
I agree with you on this, however we are a small, part time team. If you want to help us improve it, feel free to contact us.
I can't use the C3 for pilot training, not even for fun. I am very disappointed with how poorly the C3 is made. I was looking forward to the improvement. Instead, it's a bummer.
Shame you feel that way. If you want to help us improve certain aspects, feel free to contact us. We could use some help on the buildings for example.

Why isn't C3 already in 64 bit?
Because it doesn't need to be. Even if it was 64 bit, Condor only needs about 2 GB of VRAM to run at max settings. It wouldn't magically use 16 GB of VRAM if it were 64 bit. There isn't more data that needs to be stored in VRAM. You can be sure that it is using the calculation speed of your graphics card to the max though.
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Re: flying problems

Post by 6266 » Thu Dec 19, 2024 2:08 pm

Standa Vana ml. wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2024 11:16 am
Apart from the thermals - which are really unrealistic
I guess I know what you mean. If I'm right the problem are not the thermals, but the settings of the vario. The vario was very nervous for to say it in a kind way. I changed in Setup - Options

Vario time constant from 1 to 2 m/s
EVario time constant from 1,5 to 2,5 m/s

Thermalling is now very different, close to Condor 2, but better because of the wing lifting up where the thermal is, I had missed that in Condor 2.

I haven't tried if 2,1 or 1,9 is even better, maybe, but this change made really a huge difference

Hope you will have the same experience
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