MCC :: Marpingen Condor Competition :: 18 metre Class

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MCC :: Marpingen Condor Competition :: 18 metre Class

Post by Pit_R » Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:46 pm

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Hello!
We're back with small Thursday contest... Something for fans of slow'n'lowland flying. ;)
This time West Germany 3 (v. 1.01), 18 metre class and Marpingen airfield.
CC comp. details: https://www.condor-club.eu/comp/show/204/?id=469


Thursday, 11 Jun unofficial training - briefing will be posted on EN forum.
C-C Practice Day: Thu, 18 June
First racing day: 25 June (+ next five Thursdays till Jul 30th).

Tasks are inspired by the Deutsche Segelflug-Meisterschaft 2019 15m-/18m-Klasse
(German Championship, 18m in our case) which took place in Marpingen 22.07.2019-03.08.2019:
https://www.strepla.de/scs/Public/overv ... idDay=8594

CC reg. site: https://www.condor-club.eu/comp/register/205/?id=469
All are welcome! Feel free to join.

Scoring: best 5 of 6 racing days, 1000 pts for the daily winner
Notice: No index / no handicap

Scenery we will fly:
West Germany 3 (v. 1.01)
Date of release: March 27th, 2020
(Uncompressed landscape size: 16.13 GiB)

Author(s): Martin Lonien

Scenery download: https://www.condor-club.eu/viewscenery/0/?id=359
Author's (TYVM!) scenery mirror:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... r0R5MXAfVa
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... HnEUFesJe8 [SD Textures]

For testing scenery please join to server: MCC (coming soon)
On official or Hitzi's alternative list or by address: cndr2://HJMCHLMCZBMFDSRDFHA


More info soon!
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Re: MCC :: Marpingen Condor Competition :: 18 metre Class

Post by Pit_R » Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:43 am

Hello,
briefing for tomorrow's unofficial practice test day.

Thursday
Server A and B: 20.00 CEST [18.00 UTC]
Server C will start at 20.30 CEST [18.30 UTC]

No index! No handicap!

+30 min join time, 1 min race in

Not the biggest clouds and weak thermals. Anyway - we're in smooth flying 18 m class gliders. ;)
What is good - meteo guy predict better weather next days!
GLA!

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Re: MCC :: Marpingen Condor Competition :: 18 metre Class

Post by Pit_R » Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:53 am

Hello!
CGR to the winners! Wasn't easy!
results on cc: https://www.condor-club.eu/ftrrank/0/?f ... e7d9f6cc2e

Some stats from Practice Day. :)

As usually: FTRs > CoFliCo > IGCs > SCI 2.62a click to enlarge
MCC_PD.jpg
mCR: mean climb rate of the whole flight | mGN: mean gliding number (gliding number without influence of wind)
mIAS: mean indicated airspeed (the speed you see on your speedometer, the real speed is higher depending on the altitude) | nLift: number of lifts
DeltaGN: additional gliding number (difference between mGN and GN of speed polar) | Vmet*): average of rising and sinking air
AltLift: average climbed in a lift | Detour: Detour in percent, only gliding passages are regarded.


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*) I removed some columns related to polar due to ballast dump was rather very popular this time, read F9 note about SCI stats after water dump [from similar thread]: [...] many pilots dump water. This changes the speed polar. The calculation of Vmet in SCI based upon the water at the start (pilot enters game). Most will start with full ballast and dump water during flight. That means, Vmet calculated by SCI is not precise in this case. Dumping water increases sink (if speed is greater then speed at best glide number). Therefore the Vmet (by SCI) becomes smaller and maybe negative.
If you know, at what time the pilot has dumped how many water, you can go to 'Flight Datas' (Menu of SCI), select the track (red, blue or green) and click on the 'Water' button. Here you can correct the water, which is on board. Then SCI makes all Vmet and DeltaGN calculation with this value.
Btw you can look for the Vmet/DeltaGN values for every leg and data section. The most precise value you get from the data section calculation. Leg and summery calculations are only averages from the data section calculations.


See ya on next training, next Thu! :)
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Re: MCC :: Marpingen Condor Competition :: 18 metre Class

Post by Pit_R » Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:18 pm

Hello!
If you need smaller map for XCSoar, here is 11.67 MB version: WestGermany3.xcm

http://dl.virtualsoaring.eu/?dir=PDA-maps/XCSoar

Also there is XCSoar 6.8.15:
https://www.xcsoar.org/discover/2020/06 ... eased.html

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Re: MCC :: Marpingen Condor Competition :: 18 metre Class

Post by Pit_R » Sun Jun 21, 2020 3:44 pm

Hello!

Results of Practice Day:
https://www.condor-club.eu/comp/besttimes/0/?id=15059

CGR to the winners! Well done!

+ Some stats...

As usually: FTRs > CoFliCo > IGCs > SCI 2.62a click to enlarge
mcc_pd_cc.jpg
mCR: mean climb rate of the whole flight | mGN: mean gliding number (gliding number without influence of wind)
mIAS: mean indicated airspeed (the speed you see on your speedometer, the real speed is higher depending on the altitude) | nLift: number of lifts
DeltaGN: additional gliding number (difference between mGN and GN of speed polar) | Vmet*): average of rising and sinking air
AltLift: average climbed in a lift | Detour: Detour in percent, only gliding passages are regarded.


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If someone would like to have all ftrs to refly with ghosts or igcs for deeper analyse etc. Please drop me a msg. Notice: Above there are no igcs from Iann Benesovsky (BY3) (which was 3rd) [problem with ftr to igc conversion, must be C2 glitch, timeout or so] and nortoise [no ftr].

See you Thursday on 1st Day!
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Re: MCC :: Marpingen Condor Competition :: 18 metre Class

Post by Pit_R » Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:44 pm

Hello!

Short reminder - today we will start our competition. :)
GLA!

Server A and B: 20.00 CEST [18.00 UTC]
Server C will start at 20.30 CEST [18.30 UTC]

+30 min join time, 1 min race in


ATTENTION:
We'll have AATs today - 1 h 45 min (105 min)

If you're new to C2 or Assigned Area Task or just want to recall some AATs principles,
please take a look - some useful information how to fly this kind of task:

https://is.gd/XzvsNj

See you!
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Re: MCC :: Marpingen Condor Competition :: 18 metre Class

Post by Pit_R » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:36 pm

Hello!

Results of Day 1:
https://www.condor-club.eu/comp/besttimes/0/?id=15060

CGR to the winners! And finishers - all did it. ;)
BTW: Looks like DG don't need handicap - opposite rather. ;)
With my mCR I need to take few lessons of thermaling and make an inspection of my glider/settings/PC. Smthng is def. wrong here. :]
There will be AAT again in a few weeks - please take a look - little knowledge how to fly this kind of task: https://is.gd/XzvsNj
If someone knows useful materials about AATs in English or different languages (French, Spanish, German) - please paste links here, I'll add them to AAT post. Thanks in advance!

Some stats...

As usually: FTRs > CoFliCo > IGCs > SCI 2.62a click to enlarge
MCC_D1.jpg
mCR: average climbrate in m/s for the task/leg | mGN: mean gliding number (gliding number without influence of wind)
mIAS: mean indicated airspeed (the speed you see on your speedometer, the real speed is higher depending on the altitude) | nLift: number of lifts
DeltaGN: additional gliding number (difference between mGN and GN of speed polar) | Vmet*): average of rising and sinking air
AltLift: average climbed in a lift | Detour: Detour in percent, only gliding passages are regarded.


PS
If someone would like to have all ftrs to refly with ghosts or igcs for deeper analyse etc. Please drop me a msg.

See you Thursday on Day 2! This time classic race. :)
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Re: MCC :: Marpingen Condor Competition :: 18 metre Class

Post by jorgemarmor » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:59 pm

Thanks for such amazing report! A lot of info to learn from there.

Explanation about how to work with AAT tasks in Spanish here: https://youtu.be/zvU_KjsGjLU

Thanks for the competition! I enjoyed yesterday.

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Re: MCC :: Marpingen Condor Competition :: 18 metre Class

Post by EDB » Fri Jun 26, 2020 1:14 pm

mCR: (mean climb rate of the whole flight) doesn't say much if you are waiting under clouds before the start...

Only if it was for the completed task it would mean something...
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Re: MCC :: Marpingen Condor Competition :: 18 metre Class

Post by Pit_R » Fri Jun 26, 2020 1:55 pm

Sorry, my fault - I've checked SCI manual:
mCR: Average climbrate in m/s for the task/leg

ShowCondorIGCManual.zip

So my average mean the same as before...

Dist.: 239,9
mCR: 1,84

To 030KIRN
Dist.: 48,3
mCR: 1,53
AltCircle: 1130
nLift: 4
mAltLift: 282

To 101WALLDORF
Dist.: 84
mCR: 2,18
AltCircle: 1326
nLift: 3
mAltLift: 442

To Marpingen
Dist.: 107,6
mCR: 1,86
AltCircle: 1587
nLift: 3
mAltLift: 529

PS
Updated also description under SCI screenshot.
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Re: MCC :: Marpingen Condor Competition :: 18 metre Class

Post by Fabry » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:16 pm

Thank you for setting this up Pit_R despite my poor performance I really enjoyed this, I wish that Condor had native support for AAT scoring so these could be more common.
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Re: MCC :: Marpingen Condor Competition :: 18 metre Class

Post by Pit_R » Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:17 pm

Hello!

Results of Day 2:
https://www.condor-club.eu/comp/besttimes/0/?id=15223

CGR to the winners! Well done Kuba, Paul and Stephen!

There will be AAT again in a few weeks - please take a look - little knowledge how to fly this kind of task: https://is.gd/XzvsNj
If someone knows useful materials about AATs in English or different languages (French, Spanish, German) - please paste links here, I'll add them to AAT post. Thanks in advance!

Some stats for curious... ;)

As usually: FTRs > CoFliCo > IGCs > SCI 2.62a click to enlarge
MCC_D2.jpg
mCR: average climbrate in m/s for the task | mGN: mean gliding number (gliding number without influence of wind)
mIAS: mean indicated airspeed (the speed you see on your speedometer, the real speed is higher depending on the altitude) | nLift: number of lifts
DeltaGN: additional gliding number (difference between mGN and GN of speed polar) | Vmet: average of rising and sinking air
AltLift: average climbed in a lift | Detour: Detour in percent, only gliding passages are regarded.


PS
If someone would like to have all ftrs to refly with ghosts or igcs for deeper analyse etc. Please drop me a msg.
Also - if you didn't upload ftr but want to - please write me a msg via c-c and I will re-open upload again.

See you Thursday on Day 3! Again classic race. :)
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Re: MCC :: Marpingen Condor Competition :: 18 metre Class

Post by Pit_R » Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:22 am

Hello!

Results of Day 3:
https://www.condor-club.eu/comp/showtask/208/?id=15224

and overall after three days:
https://www.condor-club.eu/comp/globals ... 1/?&id=469

CGR to the winners! Erik did it again!
In top 5 also: Jarmo, Nicola, Jiri and Jon! Well done.

There will be AAT again in a few weeks - please take a look - little knowledge how to fly this kind of task: https://is.gd/XzvsNj
If someone knows useful materials about AATs in English or different languages (French, Spanish, German) - please paste links here, I'll add them to AAT post. Thanks in advance!

Some stats...

As usually: FTRs > CoFliCo > IGCs > SCI 2.62a click to enlarge
MCC_D3.jpg
mCR: average climbrate in m/s for the task | mGN: mean gliding number (gliding number without influence of wind)
mIAS: mean indicated airspeed (the speed you see on your speedometer, the real speed is higher depending on the altitude) | nLift: number of lifts
DeltaGN: additional gliding number (difference between mGN and GN of speed polar) | Vmet: average of rising and sinking air
AltLift: average climbed in a lift | Detour: Detour in percent, only gliding passages are regarded.


PS
If someone would like to have all ftrs to refly with ghosts or igcs for deeper analyse etc. Please drop me a msg.
Also - if you didn't upload ftr but want to - please write me a msg via c-c and I will re-open upload again.

See you Thursday on Day 4! Classic race. :)
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Re: MCC :: Marpingen Condor Competition :: 18 metre Class

Post by Pit_R » Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:18 am

Hello!

Results of Day 4:
https://www.condor-club.eu/comp/besttimes/0/?id=15225

and overall after four days:
https://www.condor-club.eu/comp/globals ... 1/?&id=469

CGR to the winners! Well done Kuba! Top three also Horst and Erik! CG!
Pity I couldn't fly yest. :/

There will be AAT next week - please take a look - little knowledge how to fly this kind of task: https://is.gd/XzvsNj
If someone knows useful materials about AATs in English or different languages (French, Spanish, German) - please share.
I'll add them to the AAT post. Thanks in advance!

Some stats...

As usually: FTRs > CoFliCo > IGCs > SCI 2.62a click to enlarge
MCC_D4.jpg
mCR: average climbrate in m/s for the task | mGN: mean gliding number (gliding number without influence of wind)
mIAS: mean indicated airspeed (the speed you see on your speedometer, the real speed is higher depending on the altitude) | nLift: number of lifts
DeltaGN: additional gliding number (difference between mGN and GN of speed polar) | Vmet: average of rising and sinking air
AltLift: average climbed in a lift | Detour: Detour in percent, only gliding passages are regarded.


PS
If someone would like to have all ftrs to refly with ghosts or igcs for deeper analyse etc. Please drop me a msg.
Also - if you didn't upload ftr but want to - please write me a msg via c-c and I will re-open upload again.

See you Thursday on Day 5! AAT 105 min race. :)
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Re: MCC :: Marpingen Condor Competition :: 18 metre Class

Post by Pit_R » Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:14 pm

Hello!

Results of Day 5:
https://www.condor-club.eu/comp/besttimes/0/?id=15226

and overall after five days:
https://www.condor-club.eu/comp/globals ... 1/?&id=469
Everything still possible... :)

CGR to the winners! Well done Mihaly, Tom and John!
Perfect flight of Helmut! CG!

There will be also AAT next week - please take a look - little knowledge how to fly this kind of task: https://is.gd/XzvsNj
If someone knows useful materials about AATs in English or different languages (French, Spanish, German) - please share.
I'll add them to the AAT post. Thanks in advance!

Some stats...

As usually: FTRs > CoFliCo > IGCs > SCI 2.62a click to enlarge
MCC_D5.jpg
mCR: average climbrate in m/s for the task | mGN: mean gliding number (gliding number without influence of wind)
mIAS: mean indicated airspeed (the speed you see on your speedometer, the real speed is higher depending on the altitude) | nLift: number of lifts
DeltaGN: additional gliding number (difference between mGN and GN of speed polar) | Vmet: average of rising and sinking air
AltLift: average climbed in a lift | Detour: Detour in percent, only gliding passages are regarded.


PS
If someone would like to have all ftrs to refly with ghosts or igcs for deeper analyse etc. Please drop me a msg.
Also - if you didn't upload ftr but want to - please write me a msg via c-c and I will re-open upload again.

See you Thursday on the last day of MCC! Again AAT 105 min race. :)
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