Condor World CUP 2025

[cbrunschen]

BTW, disabling bugs and bug wipers, is that a choice of the task setters, or something we should expect for all CWC tasks?

I guess the purpose is not to give any disadvantage for those who did not buy the XC option thus make the competition fair. So I don't expect any bugs

A very friendly thing to do in my opinion!

I wish it were also possible to disable HAWK, which still gives XC users an advantage and thus means the playing field can't be made fully level and fair in that regard, even if the task setter wants to.

[Vertigo]

Today I tried 2 CWC servers, A and H, and they where both extremely laggy, with random ping spikes and insane amounts of warping. Not just for me, for everyone. I know these are high end machines on high speed internet, but something is preventing them from working properly.

[timbaeyens]

Same here.

I saw my pings spike to 1128!
1 Gb internet, wired to PC; typically my pings are around 100 max.

Tim

[velaskez]

I wish it were also possible to disable HAWK, which still gives XC users an advantage and thus means the playing field can't be made fully level and fair in that regard, even if the task setter wants to.

We bought XC version to race, not to level the playfield...so it should never be level. Two distinctly different purposes for each Condor version. Let's use them how they are meant to be used.

[cbrunschen]

I wish it were also possible to disable HAWK, which still gives XC users an advantage and thus means the playing field can't be made fully level and fair in that regard, even if the task setter wants to.

We bought XC version to race, not to level the playfield...so it should never be level. Two distinctly different purposes for each Condor version. Let's use them how they are meant to be used.

I think your use of "we" here is less universal than you might think.

For example, I bought Condor XC - and you certainly don't speak for me! - because it can be interesting to use bug wipers, and learn to use HAWK; but I also want to have the option to fly tasks on equal terms, on a level playing field, with those who do not have Condor XC.

More than that, for a lot of simulated flying that isn't about competing, I want to disable HAWK because I don't have it in my real glider, and I don't want to learn in Condor, the bad habit of relying on an instrument that I don't have in my real glider. I can already disable Bug Wipers in the NOTAMS; I just want the same thing for HAWK.

Condor, including the XC version, is used for many things other than knife-edge competition including more friendly competition, cooperative flying, training, exploring parts of the world you've not been in, and more. Please keep that in mind.

And if you don't want to fly any tasks where you can't use HAWK or other Condor XC features, then there's a simple solution: simply don't fly in those tasks.

[Vertigo]

For example, I bought Condor XC - and you certainly don't speak for me! - because it can be interesting to use bug wipers, and learn to use HAWK; but I also want to have the option to fly tasks on equal terms, on a level playing field, with those who do not have Condor XC.

If you want to fly "fairly" against people who do not have XC, or who may not have a LS8, JS3 or EB29 (and who may not have pedals ) then maybe fly something other than the world cup? The last FAI races where all "bug less" and all in a Diana.

Anyway, its good that its not a competition wide setting, let task setters choose what they feel is right for their task. Im fine having some tasks where we dont have to worry about bugs or locking up our wipers, but I think its even better to use weather zone specific bug settings to limit the impact of bugs, which I think is a great addition and new tactical element, but also a bit exaggerated in C3.

[witor]

Additional features like the usage of bug wipers add to the decision-making and strategy and help to differentiate between the pilots. At the end of the day, CWC is a competition. The more the outcome of the race depends on the pilot's decision-making and skill the better. Some pilots fly just for fun, which is great, but there is also a large number of experienced, very skilled and competitive participants who need opportunities to distinguish themself from others.

No bugs in some early races was an omission. It was decided that CWC would have bugs and hopefully, that will be the case for the rest of the competition.

[cbrunschen]

For example, I bought Condor XC - and you certainly don't speak for me! - because it can be interesting to use bug wipers, and learn to use HAWK; but I also want to have the option to fly tasks on equal terms, on a level playing field, with those who do not have Condor XC.

If you want to fly "fairly" against people who do not have XC, or who may not have a LS8, JS3 or EB29 (and who may not have pedals ) then maybe fly something other than the world cup?

I'm not flying in the World Cup. My comment was about Condor in general.

[timbaeyens]

For example, I bought Condor XC - and you certainly don't speak for me! - because it can be interesting to use bug wipers, and learn to use HAWK; but I also want to have the option to fly tasks on equal terms, on a level playing field, with those who do not have Condor XC.

If you want to fly "fairly" against people who do not have XC, or who may not have a LS8, JS3 or EB29 (and who may not have pedals ) then maybe fly something other than the world cup?

I'm not flying in the World Cup. My comment was about Condor in general.

This thread is specifically for CWC 2025 - just saying.

[mada2000]

Today I tried 2 CWC servers, A and H, and they where both extremely laggy, with random ping spikes and insane amounts of warping. Not just for me, for everyone. I know these are high end machines on high speed internet, but something is preventing them from working properly.

Hi Bob,
I've just comprehensively checked my Condor's servers with DS Helper apps installed (standalone) from my 2 locations and to be honest cannot find any troubles with ping delay (mostly <1ms with max 15ms). So maybe there is a problem with Condor3 as well and more than usually pilots on server. Try to use "tracert" command to my destination 91.236.5.51 or if my provider blocks to the end, try to follow route between your net and my provider [89.46.144.131] . How many hops and what are the pings.
RGDS
Adam-AGO

[Vertigo]

Not sure this helps much:



It wasnt just me. everyone was switching servers and this started happening immediately, when just 4 or 5 others where flying, so really not a heavy load. I have no clue whats causing it, it "felt" like the server was running of a floppy disk or doing some heavy IO, even though AFAIK condor server IO load is pretty much non existent (same is true for ram, cpu, network). Im under the impression this happens more often with servers hosted in datacenters for some reason? Just a very wild guess, the fact condor dedicated server creates such a light load, somehow makes the server treat this as a background task? Is this a shared server / virtual cpu ?

[Vertigo]

FYI, I dont know if anyone else had trouble yesterday, but I flew server H, and it worked just fine, no significant warping or lagging.

[arneh]

FYI, I dont know if anyone else had trouble yesterday, but I flew server H, and it worked just fine, no significant warping or lagging.

No problem for me on server A either. And co-incidentally it was the same aircraft and airport where Condor crashed for me on Monday.

[timbaeyens]

FYI, I dont know if anyone else had trouble yesterday, but I flew server H, and it worked just fine, no significant warping or lagging.

No problem for me on server A either. And co-incidentally it was the same aircraft and airport where Condor crashed for me on Monday.

Must have been a stressfull start

[arneh]

No problem for me on server A either. And co-incidentally it was the same aircraft and airport where Condor crashed for me on Monday.

Must have been a stressfull start

Haha, so stressful i had to make a restart