Heights in task waypoint property box - request Imperial measurements

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Heights in task waypoint property box - request Imperial measurements

Post by DanD » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:03 pm

If Imperial or Australian units are selected, the heights in the property box - elevation, min and max altitudes - should be in feet, or alternately, metres and feet. We shouldn't be banging away on a calculator creating tasks for online.

NEW ADDITION: Heights in Penalty Zones are only in metres. They should also be in feet, reflecting Imperial or Australian unit settings. Please...

Thanks in advance.

Dan Daly
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Edited for clarity and addition of a new find - Penalty zones
Last edited by DanD on Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:22 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: Heights in task waypoint property box - request Imperial measurements

Post by philster57 » Tue Dec 31, 2019 8:10 pm

Yes please.

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Re: Heights in task waypoint property box - request Imperial measurements

Post by KipperUK » Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:37 pm

+1

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Re: Heights in task waypoint property box - request Imperial measurements

Post by turner » Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:12 am

+1
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Re: Heights in task waypoint property box - request Imperial measurements

Post by Bre901 » Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:39 am

The min-max altitudes are displayed in 100xfeet on the task map, isn't that enough for the metrically challenged ? :wink:
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Re: Heights in task waypoint property box - request Imperial measurements

Post by DanD » Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:28 pm

Which 'task map'? On mine, in the Task tab in the Flight Planning dialog box, when I move the cursor over the start/finish area, it gives me the height of terrain, which is not start or finish height. It is not documented in the Condor Manual, that I can find.

I flew - in feet and nautical miles - professionally for 35 years. I have 800 glider hours. I have only been in one aircraft with an altimeter in metres - a Fouga Magister at Ecole de l'Air. I have tasked about a hundred flight plans for my club weekly soaring, in C1 and now C2. It is an ongoing irritant to have to do the m to ft conversion and appreciably slows process. Since online competition makes Condor more appealing, surely pissing off the people who run contests in North America and having them consider quitting doing so is not optimal.

For those who run Imperial or Australian units on anything else, why metres?

Could you please provide a screen shot of the 'task map' showing this?
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Re: Heights in task waypoint property box - request Imperial measurements

Post by Bre901 » Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:17 pm

Sorry, didn't mean to offend anyone

Pics below (same FPL, different units options)

My feeling was that, now that the DDH is set to aim towards the minimum altitude of a turn point or the finish line, +/- 100ft was precise enough (that's just a wee bit more than 2 times the wingspan of a standard class sailplane)

Metric (altitude limits in 100m)
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Imperial (altitude limits in 100ft)
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Aussie (same)
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Re: Heights in task waypoint property box - request Imperial measurements

Post by DanD » Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:53 pm

OK, I've learned something and will pass that on. Thank you!

My first point - that the properties box which has to be used to get the heights - start height, minimum finish, noting field elevation - are always in metres, even when Imperial or Australian units are selected - is still valid.

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Re: Heights in task waypoint property box - request Imperial measurements

Post by rob.williams » Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:38 pm

This would certainly be a helpful feature! +1

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Re: Heights in task waypoint property box - request Imperial measurements

Post by NickB » Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:21 pm

I think it would be a good idea as well for consistency, that when a 'Unit' is selected, that all status and selection items in Condor would follow this unit and not just some. Of course there needs to be a reference Unit, and metric is obviously the unit to use, and conversion from/to feet can be to the nearest metre.
I fly in gliders with altimeters in feet, and tried to fly with an altimeter in metres at a World Contest, and ended up trying to convert in my head all the time. I quickly changed to an altimeter in feet, and although it seems trivial, it takes a significant amount of time to get used to a different unit. Flying a real glider with an altimeter in feet and flying Condor in meters presents the same challenge.

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Re: Heights in task waypoint property box - request Imperial measurements

Post by nwong128 » Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:24 pm

Agree. The task entries should use the same unit as the option selected. I hope the developer will put them in a fix.

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Re: Heights in task waypoint property box - request Imperial measurements

Post by Jacques99 » Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:32 pm

Agreed. As discussed by Dan and Nick, Imperial/Australina units are the better choice for our applications. My glider also has instruments in feet and knot.
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Re: Heights in task waypoint property box - request Imperial measurements

Post by India_November » Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:43 pm

I agree--I fly with instruments in imperial units. +1

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Re: Heights in task waypoint property box - request Imperial measurements

Post by Kilomike » Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:56 pm

Imperial measurements would be good

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Re: Heights in task waypoint property box - request Imperial measurements

Post by WhirlWind » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:02 pm

As discussed by Dan and Nick, Imperial/Australian units are the better choice to be consistent with our "real life" operations in North America. I concur with the suggestion that task planning units (or wherever else units appear) be consistent with the unit selection in setup.

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