CoTaCo (V3.4): Task converter for XCSoar, LK8000 & SeeYou

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Re: CoTaCo (V3.3.2): Yet another task converter for XCSoar

Post by Bre901 » Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:04 am

A beta-tester has suggested that I add an extra feature in CoTaCo, especially for hurried online-task flyers who don't have (or don't take) time to check thoroughly the flight plan: display a warning popup with start max altitude and finish min altitude.

As I count myself in the list of interested pilots, I'll do that, and I think I'll also add the cloud penalty and regatta start, if applicable.

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This feature would be optional, of course.

Any comments or suggestions ?
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Re: CoTaCo (V3.3.2): Yet another task converter for XCSoar

Post by JBlyth » Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:53 am

Fantasticly useful additions, Marc

I vote YES PLEASE!

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Re: CoTaCo (V3.3.2): Yet another task converter for XCSoar

Post by 6266 » Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:04 pm

I do it by hand today. Click on start, click on properties, close the box, click on finish, click on properties, close the box. And I do it for each tp.

This is much better and faster, I like it. Maybe you can add a message if a turn point has not the default min 0 and max 10 000 m

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Re: CoTaCo (V3.3.2): Yet another task converter for XCSoar

Post by Bre901 » Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:33 pm

6266 wrote:
Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:04 pm
Maybe you can add a message if a turn point has not the default min 0 and max 10 000 m
Good idea ! I'll do that too
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Re: CoTaCo (V3.4 Beta): Yet another task converter for XCSoar

Post by Bre901 » Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:42 pm

Version 3.4 Beta is available there : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NuYrXG ... sp=sharing

Executable only, the manual will be updated later.

To activate the new functionality add:

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# Task warnings (0/1) : 
Task warnings=1

somewhere in the .ini file

I haven't tested all possible cases (start & finish windows not done)

Thanks for testing
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Re: CoTaCo (V3.4 Beta): Yet another task converter for XCSoar

Post by 6266 » Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:26 pm

Short test, converted yesterdays task. The warning comes correct (didn't tested no warning), the Condor.tsk is equal with the file from yesterday, only the version number is different. Looks good
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Re: CoTaCo (V3.4 Beta): Yet another task converter for XCSoar

Post by JBlyth » Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:28 pm

Wonderful! I'm racing daily this week with Condor NZ (0700UTC). Lots of Grand Prix starts, gate limits and opportunities to test.

Many thanks
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Re: CoTaCo (V3.4 Beta): Yet another task converter for XCSoar

Post by JBlyth » Tue Aug 31, 2021 4:31 am

I did a quick test in yesterday's Condor NZ task, and I really like the prompts received.

One small addition for we antipodeans who still use feet for height in aviation would be to show altitudes in both metres and feet.

The Start type prompt is a nice and unexpected addition. The current week's tasks will also have a maximum start speed in kph and knots (which doesn't seem to show in the briefing) as well - it's all getting to be quite complex, isn't it....

Perfection would be to carry Start Height above Sea Level (rather than AGL) plus maximum start speed over to the LK8000 task in the future as well.

But of course, this all takes time and effort, as I well appreciate.

Many thanks for the hard work - yet again, Marc.

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Re: CoTaCo (V3.4 Beta): Yet another task converter for XCSoar

Post by Bre901 » Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:01 am

JBlyth wrote:
Tue Aug 31, 2021 4:31 am
I did a quick test in yesterday's Condor NZ task, and I really like the prompts received.

One small addition for we antipodeans who still use feet for height in aviation would be to show altitudes in both metres and feet.
As far as I know, there are some folks on the other side of the planet who happen to be metrically challenged too :wink: :wink:
So, there you go :

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Units are automatically detected from your Condor setup
BTW I made the display more homogeneous ( use "=" for all )

Beta 2 version is on the drive, same link as above
The current week's tasks will also have a maximum start speed in kph and knots (which doesn't seem to show in the briefing) as well - it's all getting to be quite complex, isn't it....
As far as I know, max start speed is not available in the flightplan.
If, some day, it becomes available, CoTaCo will of course transfer the value to XCSoar or LK8000.
I could also add that in the GUI for V4 (haven't been working on it for a while)

Until then, please note that CoTASA can display the ground speed (in the text window and/or in the AH window), in whatever unit you want

Perfection would be to carry Start Height above Sea Level (rather than AGL) [...] over to the LK8000 task in the future as well.
I won't move a finger unless you prove me that it works.
As already mentioned privately, if I wrote it like that, I guess it's because MSL didn't work
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Re: CoTaCo (V3.4 Beta): Yet another task converter for XCSoar

Post by JBlyth » Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:12 am

Thanks Marc,

In the LK 8000 task it uses ASL instead of MSL, where in the app itself, it uses MSL. Go figure....
<start max-height="1828800" max-height-margin="0" max-speed="0" max-speed-margin="0" height-ref="ASL"/>

CURRENT CoTaCo METHOD:-
<start max-height="1438000" max-height-margin="0" max-speed="0" max-speed-margin="0" height-ref="AGL" />

Another workaround may be to retrieve the waypoint altitude and add the two together, although that may give unexpected results in LK at the start-line.

I'll download the updated version now and give it a try and "fly" with oit tomorrow.

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Re: CoTaCo (V3.4 Beta): Yet another task converter for XCSoar

Post by 6266 » Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:20 am

message now with m on my setup, good
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Re: CoTaCo (V3.4 Beta): Yet another task converter for XCSoar

Post by Bre901 » Tue Aug 31, 2021 3:15 pm

JBlyth wrote:
Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:12 am
In the LK 8000 task it uses ASL instead of MSL, where in the app itself, it uses MSL. Go figure....
<start max-height="1828800" max-height-margin="0" max-speed="0" max-speed-margin="0" height-ref="ASL"/>
One can expect anything from people who aren't able to stick to a coherent set of units in a data file : in the lkt file, altitudes of TPs are in meters and min/max heights are in millimetres :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

CURRENT CoTaCo METHOD:-
<start max-height="1438000" max-height-margin="0" max-speed="0" max-speed-margin="0" height-ref="AGL" />
I did indeed write it like that because MSL doesn't work Image Image

I tested it by writing ASL (by hand) in the lkt file, it worked, so I have modified CoTaCo accordingly

I'm sorry but I refuse to apologise for poor coding by other programmers...

That mess should be fixed now, please re-test.

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Re: CoTaCo (V3.4 Beta): Yet another task converter for XCSoar

Post by JBlyth » Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:33 am

Thanks Marc,

The ASL update works very nicely.

Many thanks once more!
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Re: CoTaCo (V3.4 Beta): Yet another task converter for XCSoar

Post by Bre901 » Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:15 pm

Minor change :

When in "wait" mode with Condor in full screen emulation, the CoTaCo popup(s) are frozen while Condor starts, which means that the transfer script was not executed until you clicked "OK" in the altitude warning popup window.
That popup is now shown after the script is run, which means you don't have to wait to start XCSoar or LK8000

Same download link

If no bugs are found, V3.4 will be officially released in a few days
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Re: CoTaCo (V3.4 Beta): Yet another task converter for XCSoar

Post by JBlyth » Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:25 pm

I tried to download the file, but got this warning. Anti-Virus is the Microsoft Windows 10 one.....

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