Any tips you could spare on using Condor for self learning ?

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Lord_Archon
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Any tips you could spare on using Condor for self learning ?

Post by Lord_Archon » Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:19 pm

Similarly to MFS2020 and simulation in general I got into Condor for fun but I am getting serious about soaring. However I don't have options for real flying/instruction at the moment, and it will probably be a good while until I do. I wanted to get a more experienced opinion about the things I'm trying to do to self-learn and what could be done better. So in a glance -

Practical side
  • I use HOTAS with stick in the middle and throttle to the left for airbrakes and flaps. I use rudder pedals
  • I fly only in VR and with XCSoar pinned inside the virtual environment
  • I use conservative safety limits, outlanding waypoints, terrain-avoiding reach calculations and high polar degradation
  • Keeping distance from ridges, thermalling often, always on MC0 and best glide (Not interested in going fast yet)
  • Trying to keep a good lookout even in single-player (Haven't flown online yet), always turning away from ridge etc
  • Not using the highest-end gliders as it's unlikely I'll every fly in one
  • I always set wind direction/speed at maximum variance, thermal settings on medium variance
  • Constant takeoff/landing practice with aerotow and winch, crosswinds etc
  • Always respecting V-speeds (including for flaps), landing speeds, takeoff speeds etc
Theoretical side
  • Reading the free books (FAA's Glider Pilot Handbook, EASA regulations, FAI Sporting Code)
  • Reading/watching and trying to use pieces of information from lectures/videos/articles (Soaring Economist, ChessInTheAir etc)
  • Looking to buy soaring literature but haven't gotten to that yet
I know simulation is far from perfect esp. when you are missing G's during a turn or the risk of death or airspaces and radio but I want to ensure I'm not doing anything too detrimental for future instruction. So when time comes getting a SPL shouldn't be too hard.
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Re: Any tips you could spare on using Condor for self learning ?

Post by Mossy » Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:29 am

I second this, sorry I have nothing to add, just would love to read some advice!

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Re: Any tips you could spare on using Condor for self learning ?

Post by keithb77 » Sun Apr 18, 2021 6:15 pm

You can create tasks with penalty zones mapped to airspace (max 8 zones) - see this thread
viewtopic.php?t=19859
You can get the BGA magazine 1/2 price for a year
https://www.gliding.co.uk/sailplaneandgliding/
Cheers
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Lord_Archon
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Re: Any tips you could spare on using Condor for self learning ?

Post by Lord_Archon » Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:06 pm

Thanks Keith, I've heard about the magazine but didn't know about the discount.

I discovered XCSoar's airspace functions so I now use airspace maps where one is available :)
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Re: Any tips you could spare on using Condor for self learning ?

Post by Sprunga » Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:47 am

Here's my 2 cents! I really don't think you can do anything too detrimental to your real life training from using Condor. I actually think that you shouldn't worry about being too procedural whilst using Condor because you will learn a lot from just playing around and doing things you would never do in a real glider. For example pulling too hard in a steep turn at 80knots will teach you that you can stall a glider at any speed! One thing I would concentrate on is using nose attitudes referenced against the horizon rather than using the air speed indicator to target a speed. Particularly helpful when thermalling so you can keep your eyes out of the cockpit.

Secondly I would suggest that when you do start Real Life soaring that you just pretend you know nothing. Anything you have learned from Condor will help you progress a little faster.

Hope that is of some help! Sprunga
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Re: Any tips you could spare on using Condor for self learning ?

Post by Mossy » Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:53 am

Great advice Sprunga!
I already started to get the feel for some of these naturally, especially nose attitudes referencing the horizon when thermalling.
"when you do start Real Life soaring that you just pretend you know nothing." Dead on.

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Re: Any tips you could spare on using Condor for self learning ?

Post by Lord_Archon » Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:24 am

Good advice. I had my fair share of reckless flying but I was concerned with bad habits and muscle memory. I try to fly at least a couple hours every day (One of those quarantine skill resolutions). If I have thousands of hours of bad habits from virtual flying by the time I do it for real, bad things might happen.
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Re: Any tips you could spare on using Condor for self learning ?

Post by Sprunga » Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:07 am

I think you’ll be fine Once your butt is on the line!!
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Re: Any tips you could spare on using Condor for self learning ?

Post by Bre901 » Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:59 am

If you fly cross-country in hilly or mountainous areas, you could also analyse your flights to check that you always remained within gliding range of landable areas :
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=19740
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Re: Any tips you could spare on using Condor for self learning ?

Post by keithb77 » Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:52 am

discovered XCSoar's airspace functions so I now use airspace map
Bear in mind you wont be using XCsoar or anything similar whilst training...

Also you can do you checklists every flight and get into that routine
https://members.gliding.co.uk/wp-conten ... S-2017.pdf

And I'd recommend having a least a test flight in a real glider, just so you know how different it is from the sim :)

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Re: Any tips you could spare on using Condor for self learning ?

Post by Filgueiras » Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:34 pm

Two years away from RL gliding, almost 6 months far from Condor, I'm now back in business :mrgreen: at least in the simulator :D

Lord_Archon, I love to train basic skills in CS - cheaper and safer than in RL. So, short landings, crosswind landings, and the like; thermaling, in various conditions of speed, CG position, etc.
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Re: Any tips you could spare on using Condor for self learning ?

Post by Lord_Archon » Sun Apr 25, 2021 10:06 am

Bre901 wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:59 am
If you fly cross-country in hilly or mountainous areas, you could also analyse your flights to check that you always remained within gliding range of landable areas :
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=19740
Thank you for veriflocal, have you considered open sourcing the development ?
keithb77 wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:52 am
Bear in mind you wont be using XCsoar or anything similar whilst training...

Also you can do you checklists every flight and get into that routine
https://members.gliding.co.uk/wp-conten ... S-2017.pdf

And I'd recommend having a least a test flight in a real glider, just so you know how different it is from the sim
Of course I don't expect to be using PDA in basic instruction but I want to master the flight computer for safety reasons so it becomes second nature. I use checklists, not sure if you have to follow a particular order due to the acronyms but I found it hard to memorize them that way for some reason. I would love to have a test flight but it's impossible right now. Apart from COVID restrictions, the only club I could go to (Athens, Greece) is shut down for an indefinite period of time due to incredulous regulatory reasons that don't even apply anymore due to EASA.
Filgueiras wrote:
Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:34 pm
short landings, crosswind landings, and the like; thermaling, in various conditions of speed, CG position, etc.
Totally, right now I'm mostly doing landings and rope breaks so my thermaling is far from perfect but I figured those are more important to perfect first because of the risks involved.
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