Probleme SBC 36

Dicxit2 · Post by **Dicxit2** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:35 am

HI

I would like to ask a question:
At the beginning of my flight we were 4 pilot, (Kk, PAS, LS, and I AE) at the establishment Ls to disconnect, why this happens is on the list of arrival?

Is it possible to verify the time?
Thank you.

Dicxit Cn AE

Dicxit2 · Post by **Dicxit2** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:34 am

Hi to all

I see that cheating continues, as I have seen, I will explain:
I was enrolled at 12.45 utc I took the first connection, and then joined me Fk; PAS and LS
We were waiting for departure, when LS déconnecta, our problems that this happens mostly fought to climb!
On Monday I have taken flight then, which was to confirm that he make the flight offline, that I was surprised to see my departure brand. So I understand Cheating
Http://condor.ephemeride.com/analysis/0/?rank=34629 end http://condor.ephemeride.com/analysis/0/?rank=34553
Dicxit

bagger · Post by **bagger** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:53 am

Hi,

He finished task offline.

I don't understand what is point. Can you show some facts....??

Jarmo K · Post by **Jarmo K** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:13 am

hello JK,

if you log in to CTDB and check the links which Dicxit posts, you might get suspicious as well

:
- both flights are SBC08 task 36 and marked as "multiplayer - yes"
- other is outlanded and other completed...

BR,
JKK

bagger · Post by **bagger** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:41 am

Yes, I checked...

What now??

Can some one expalin me this ??

It is again strange story with LS as I remember

Hey Mr. LS can you expalin this?? It could be very interesting...

It is shame to outland

If you fly twice the same task it is for you honour to compare a speed with others??

Man...

TimKuijpers · Post by **TimKuijpers** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:01 am

Isn't there a way to download his ftr's? That way one could be 100% sure.
I think it says enough, but he might just have reflown it later on with some friends?
When did he upload his IGC?
We can see which flight he uploaded to CTDB first, but not which flight he flew first.

p.s. And still not able to win

LEAN · Post by **LEAN** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:16 am

TimKuijpers wrote: Isn't there a way to download his ftr's? That way one could be 100% sure.

Yes, on CTDB, clic on distance and you can download it ...

TimKuijpers · Post by **TimKuijpers** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:34 am

Ok, to make it really interesting I need the IGC of AE (or Kk) but as SBC site is still waiting for your seeyou resultfile I can't tell.
All I know is that the flights of PAS and LS were not made on the same server.
But more important that the outlanded flight wasn't made on the same server either.

So this would mean that he flew this task 3 times and didn't upload it's first file to CTDB.
Or, PAS also did fly a 2nd time, but untill we know for sure let's keep him out of this.
So all I need is your igc AE.

Dicxit2 · Post by **Dicxit2** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:58 am

OK NX
Give me the mail, or I can send you
Ae dicxit

Dicxit2 · Post by **Dicxit2** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:04 pm

I just send you on your box igc hotmail (Nx)
Made good use
Greeting

Tima (TSD) · Post by **Tima (TSD)** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:39 pm

Guys, is the issue so important that you spend so much energy on it?

The key phrase is already told by Tim - "And still not able to win". But the main question is still not answered - whether it is cheating or just later reflys? If it is former then i don't mind because it didn't improve result of pilot in question. If it is latter then it shows good learning attitude and sportsmanship - one of my friends also refly some tasks some number of times to find where he lost against champions (but he don't upload his results to CTDB and maybe that's why is not yet blamed as a cheater

).

TimKuijpers · Post by **TimKuijpers** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:21 pm

The flight he uploaded to CTDB and outlanded in, is not the flight in which you saw him.
PAS and AE were on the same server, their IGC's come from the same flight.
While LS's wasn't.
So he could have flown it on a different server, but I think we'd better assume that he reflew this task after the fpl was published.
Still it is a mystery what happened to LS on that 1st flight.
The igc on SBC and ftr on CTDB are the same for the finished flight.
This flight is made together with H Blazz, on the same server.
Then there is this flight where he was on your server, there is no track from LS around.
Then there is a flight which LS flew and uploaded to CTDB, but nobody can tell where it was.
Unless somebody has all Race ID's from the different servers, I can't tell where he made those flights.

Are you sure this was the same pilot you saw in your server?
Because untill now that is the only strange part, because he could have just reflown the task later on, legal.

Dicxit2 · Post by **Dicxit2** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:34 pm

I think we should ask whether one person to fly with ls we are two to say, it was well with us at 12:45 utc it did not took the start, he disconnected before, if someone else who reads this message ls to fly with it say on the forum is that to cheat.
Dicxit

Pit_R · Post by **Pit_R** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:49 pm

For what all this investigation? He isn't cheater as he use his CN all the time. If someone would play with you i bet he would change CN. hehehe

BTW - Why not to fly few times? If someone wants to and have time? And if there is such possibility... And someone see fun in refly. Or wants to check smthng. Different route, thermal etc...

Why u start this again?! Because someone saw somebody on earlier server?

What about those never seen lol What about rules that can't be verified at all?

There was similar discussion in GP.

p.s. And still not able to win

If reflyer would win - problem would be more serious?

IMHO - Reflyer could win this task. With knowledge about needed 4650m, and where to get this alt... BTW - what if my teammate would told me how to fly it?

And I would won by accident. Problem? Or not yet?

TimKuijpers · Post by **TimKuijpers** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:18 pm

You are right PIT, but when J1 did this he did got his penalty.
And don't forget LS allready has been caught cheating on SR?..
Well, I just think that you have to take it the same as J1.
Wether he flew the task offline or did have a pc crash.

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