Day 8 -biggest tie I have seen

Polewka · Post by **Polewka** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:40 pm

Man, that was an evasive answer...

In Brazil we say something like that (free translation):

"Not yes, not no. In fact, maybe almost absolutely all in contrary..."

Cya

Joost v Veelen · Post by **Joost v Veelen** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:04 pm

Rene, tim you both are right...

It's just that i think (still working on it) that with a AAT it could be measured like i mentioned before.

lets see how Seeyou will score in a year

Cumulus7 · Post by **Cumulus7** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:32 pm

Ok folks,
i now got a official document from the german DAEC (regulations for central competitions - 2004)

7.3 Wertungsdistanz bei Aufgaben mit festgelegten Wendegebieten (DAA/SAA):
a. Wenn der Teilnehmer ordnungsgemäß die Ziellinie überquert (bei Distanzaufgaben vor Ablauf der Maximalzeit), nachdem er alle Wendegebiete in der korrekten Reihenfolge durchflogen hat, ist seine Wertungsdistanz die Distanz von seinem tatsächlichen Abflugpunkt auf der Abfluglinie über alle Wendegebiete hinweg zur Ziellinie.

there it states (translated):

distance is calculated as the distance from the actual start-point on the start-line over all other turnpoints......

so i guess i am right after all

CU
Markus

Polewka · Post by **Polewka** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:53 pm

You are right what concerns the german rules for Speed and Distance Area tasks Markus (not Racing Tasks, look 7.2.1 -b). Congratulations. I really thought they would strict follow the FAI rules. But nowhere in the SWO2004-AN3 they said they follow the FAI Annex A to SC3.

But as SBC 2008 rules are following the FAI rules and the scoring is made by SeeYou, which uses the FAI rules, in this particular case, WE are right...

Take care when you participate in any FAI championship (EM, WM etc) in RL Markus, don't forget this !!!

Cya

TimKuijpers · Post by **TimKuijpers** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 5:07 pm

The german competitions also still uses the cat's cradle tasks..

So they seem to like to be differ from FAI

But Markus, how do they score those tasks then?
What do they use for scoring?
And, are you sure they don't know about this and score it with SeeYou anyway?

kaleu · Post by **kaleu** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 5:12 pm

TimKuijpers wrote:The german competitions also still uses the cat's cradle tasks..

That's wrong, it was excluded before competition season 2007, but until 2006 we did

leonardzl · Post by **leonardzl** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 5:19 pm

SeeYou can score either way: distance from the Start Point or distance from the Start Fix (position of glider as it crosses the start). The first method is the default, based on current IGC rules. The second method actually requires a manual change to some Windows Registry entries, so you have to really want to do it that way. So SeeYou can support IGC rules or German rules or even most of the other rules used around the world.

Polewka · Post by **Polewka** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:23 pm

TimKuijpers wrote:The german competitions also still uses the cat's cradle tasks..
So they seem to like to be differ from FAI

At least here they're following FAI on this... They have:

- Racing
- ST / AA - Speed Task
- DT / AA - Distance Task

Cya

TimKuijpers · Post by **TimKuijpers** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:49 pm

kaleu wrote:
TimKuijpers wrote:The german competitions also still uses the cat's cradle tasks..
That's wrong, it was excluded before competition season 2007, but until 2006 we did

Ok, now I might dare to fly a German competition

Freebird · Post by **Freebird** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:09 pm

Cats cradle

... takes me back to the days of maps & turn point cameras

UrosM · Post by **UrosM** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:02 pm

What's the Cats cradle?

ambrozic · Post by **ambrozic** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:25 pm

UrosM wrote:What's the Cats cradle?

Pilot selected tasks (PST) as type of a task in competitions used to be called Cat's cradle.

Cumulus7 · Post by **Cumulus7** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:03 am

Ok folks, some news:
i got a reply from the SeeYou Software Team:

Früher galt nur international AAT-Abflugpunkt = Mittelpunkt der Abfluglinie
Heute gilt auch dort, was in der deutschen WBO schon etwas länger der Fall war: Abflugpunkt = Kreuzungspunkt Startlinie-Flugweg

translation to english:

it USED to be the middle of the start-line. Now they (the international competitions) use also the german rule: crossing point of start-line

now satisfied

CU
Markus

Polewka · Post by **Polewka** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:49 am

This is an interesting thread Markus. Would be good if all the threads would be so...

To the topic:

I have 1 question: In what context they affirmed this? What kind of International Contest?

If by International Contest they mean World and Continental Championships (both under the umbrella from FAI) then they are scoring this kind of International Contest in the WRONG way, and not according to the Annex A to the Sporting Code 3 of FAI.

The other national competitions, like the German, Brazilian, French ones, are ruled by their own rules, mostly based on the FAI rules, and can be scored as they like.

Cya[/quote]

BOD1 · Post by **BOD1** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:05 am

it USED to be the middle of the start-line. Now they (the international competitions) use also the german rule: crossing point of start-line

Gasp!
CTDB used to get the crossing point of start line and it has been changed recently (because of this post) to get the middle of the start line.
So, what now? Should I get back to the ex-new-old rule? let it like it is?

Thierry