Well i guess your right that it is just down to personal preference. I don't like thermaling at to high speeds. I've askt a lot of pilots and heard a lot of different things. I tried higher speeds and lower speeds but the speeds i mentioned just seem to work for me. And i win races as well. There probably isn't a right way of doing it. Its just what gets you up the fastest. I thermal an ls-4 at 90.
I personaly have no problems at all with controling the glider at lower speeds. If you are smooth with the controls and stay coordinated it flies just as well as at higher speeds. (in condor as well)
I did fly an nimbus 3DM with water in the tanks (don't know the wingloading of that thing), but that's not the same as a fully loaded ls-8. I will be in the future as i like flying competitions, its just that i'm to busy with studie's at the moment.
Centering thermals
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TimKuijpers
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Try to see where condor is different from RL, and give your advice for condor here.
Your advice for RL can be placed at here
I try to explain once more:
A person asked for help how to learn to center thermals.
I give him some tricks which should him,
then you start saying they are not valid based on how you are flying.
And what I've learned in the past 3? days is that you are a top notch pilot.
You can't expect a beginner to start learning the perfection details on thermalling before he can even climb.
First learn to climb, then learn to climb a bit faster, because flying 120 instead of 110, is just a tiny tiny bit difference in condor.
Your advice for RL can be placed at here
I try to explain once more:
A person asked for help how to learn to center thermals.
I give him some tricks which should him,
then you start saying they are not valid based on how you are flying.
And what I've learned in the past 3? days is that you are a top notch pilot.
You can't expect a beginner to start learning the perfection details on thermalling before he can even climb.
First learn to climb, then learn to climb a bit faster, because flying 120 instead of 110, is just a tiny tiny bit difference in condor.
Think positive, flaps negative.
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but i don't concider myself to be that. Need some more practice for that 
Thanks to all of you who have contributed to this thread. I do really /only/ need to know how to fly Condor - I shall not be flying RL gliders again, too old (86) and too chicken!
Buit I still love the sport and Condor gives me some chance to still enjoy the practice of it, at least to some extent.
A lot of my RL experience was flying from the back seat of Ka7s and K13s as a B-Cat Instructor (because I couldn't afford a lot of solo flying), but I also flew Ka6s and for a time owned a share in a PZL Pirat. The "hottest" glider I ever flew personally was a PZL Cobra (a friend's) so I really am /not/ up to the levels of RL experience of many of you on this list.
Buit I still love the sport and Condor gives me some chance to still enjoy the practice of it, at least to some extent.
A lot of my RL experience was flying from the back seat of Ka7s and K13s as a B-Cat Instructor (because I couldn't afford a lot of solo flying), but I also flew Ka6s and for a time owned a share in a PZL Pirat. The "hottest" glider I ever flew personally was a PZL Cobra (a friend's) so I really am /not/ up to the levels of RL experience of many of you on this list.
Nothing wrong with the K13 and all those older gliders. They're great fun to fly and sometimes you can outclimb the fancy glass fibre ships in those things. Plus, you get that nice effect when the sun shines through the covering and casts all the shadows of the framework in the cockpit, I always liked that, it made you think you were in a Sopwith Camel or something LOL.
And, as another plus, they don't 'explode' when they get struck by lightning, like glass fibre ships do LOL
And, as another plus, they don't 'explode' when they get struck by lightning, like glass fibre ships do LOL
wickid wrote:Try to fly more smooth and you will see that you can fly very slow even with full water.
Don't make sudden imputs because the glider has inertia. It tends to pitch up directly after an imput of the control but it continue's along its original flight path for a few seconds before it flies into the new direction. This increases the angle of attack. Its realy easy to highspeed stall the standard class gliders in condor with full water. Be smooth with pitchcontrol
Thanks, now I will really start drivin' in Condor
Thermalling in "Condor"
Thanks to those who have already helped me improve my Condor flying - a lot! But I am still learning, not only the flying techniques, but also some of the basics of the sim itself.
For example, I have trouble trimming to ease stick pressures. It seems to take a h... of a lot of pounding on the DEL or INS key to make any difference - and even after I have done this, I am still not convinced it has really done anything. Am I treating this control wrong?
For centreing thermals, I have improved "some" but I mostly need those kindly pink bubbles showing me where the damn thing is, or I soon fall out of it and can't find it again! Yes, I don't circle smoothly enough - I know!!! But the Condor glider seems to be more twitchy on the controls than I remember my RL gliders being (admittedly, I flew almost entirely the older generation wooden gliders, and not especially "hot" ones).
I do better on ridge lift flights, which is where I had the majority of my RL flying.
BTW. My first-ever sight of gliders flying was at the British National champs of 1938 which were flown out of a small airfield right next to the school I was attending! I definitely recall seeing a Minimoa flying in that comp - easily recognisable wing planform! There was probably a Weihe there too, but that was not such a distinctive silhouette!
For example, I have trouble trimming to ease stick pressures. It seems to take a h... of a lot of pounding on the DEL or INS key to make any difference - and even after I have done this, I am still not convinced it has really done anything. Am I treating this control wrong?
For centreing thermals, I have improved "some" but I mostly need those kindly pink bubbles showing me where the damn thing is, or I soon fall out of it and can't find it again! Yes, I don't circle smoothly enough - I know!!! But the Condor glider seems to be more twitchy on the controls than I remember my RL gliders being (admittedly, I flew almost entirely the older generation wooden gliders, and not especially "hot" ones).
I do better on ridge lift flights, which is where I had the majority of my RL flying.
BTW. My first-ever sight of gliders flying was at the British National champs of 1938 which were flown out of a small airfield right next to the school I was attending! I definitely recall seeing a Minimoa flying in that comp - easily recognisable wing planform! There was probably a Weihe there too, but that was not such a distinctive silhouette!
Back to basics. Once you hit thermal lift, pull up and then decide in which way to turn. If you're lucky, you will center on first try. If you're not and the lift fades away after few seconds, extend your circle after you did 270deg for a few seconds and bank it over again. Then do some finetuning - if the lift gets stronger, open the circle, if it gets weaker, tighten it up. This is very basic, but it seems to me that you have the basic thermalling technique problems.
And once you find lift under Cu, try to remember on which side od the Cu the lift was, relative to wind. Under most of next Cu's, you'll find the lift on the same place.
And once you find lift under Cu, try to remember on which side od the Cu the lift was, relative to wind. Under most of next Cu's, you'll find the lift on the same place.
Centering thermals
Thanks. I never had much trouble with RL thermals, but I haven't yet got used to Condor ones! I do find it rather harder to keep a good lookout all around and upwards (cf RL)
Is it true that in Condor, thermals are likely to be to the same side of the cloud as in RL? I was aware of the RL situation, but did not know whether it applied in Condor too.
Is it true that in Condor, thermals are likely to be to the same side of the cloud as in RL? I was aware of the RL situation, but did not know whether it applied in Condor too.
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